Welsh explorer Prince Madoc beat Columbus to new world by 322 years

In memory of Prince Madoc, a Welsh explorer, who landed on the shores of Mobile Bay in 1170 and left behind, with the Indians, the Welsh language.

Welsh Prince Madoc

Prince Madoc

Mobile, Alabama, November 11, 1953: So stated the historically controversial plaque erected, yesterday morning, at Ft. Morgan near Gulf Shores by the Virginia Cavalier Chapter of the Daughters of the American Revolution.

The DAR seems convinced that a young explorer named Prince Madoc ab Owain Gwynedda (Madoc) from Wales, which is a part of the United Kingdom, arrived in what is now Mobile Bay some 322 years before Christopher Columbus discovered the “New World” in 1492.

Historians have argued about the validity of this “Madoc story” for centuries.

The pro-Madoc historians say their research shows Madoc was one of 17 brothers who were in constant battles with each other over who should take the place of their father as King of Wales when he died.  The king died in 1169.  The fights began.

Madoc grew tired of feuding with family and all the civil wars, so he took two ships with crew and passengers and sailed westward across “the great sea” (Atlantic Ocean) sometime in 1170.  He eventually sailed into Mobile Bay and stayed there for an unknown period of time.

Madoc, then, sailed back to Wales, apparently in the early 1170’s, and persuaded many other Welshmen to sail back with him to this “wondrous new land.”  He returned to Mobile Bay with ten ships loaded with passengers and supplies.

These pre-Columbus explorers then trekked up what are now the Alabama and Coosa Rivers toward present day Chattanooga, Tennessee.

Madoc and his followers built at least three forts along the way.  The first fort was built on Lookout Mountain, overlooking the present day Desoto Falls outside Ft. Payne in northeast Alabama.  This falls was named for the European explorer Hernando Desoto who “discovered” the falls some 370 years after Madoc built his fort there.

Due to incessant hostilities with the indigenous Indians around Desoto Falls, Madoc moved on and erected another fortress in what is now northwest Georgia and Ft. Mountain State Park.  This new fort was gigantic.  It was situated on top of a 3000 foot mountain with a massive wall around it.  The main defensive wall measured 15 feet tall, 20 feet wide, and 855 feet long. Portions of the wall are still visible today. A final fort was built outside present day Manchester in southeast Tennessee, with a huge 1000 foot long wall, some of which is still visible, today, as well.

Numerous archaeologists have testified through the years that  (1) these forts date back hundreds of years before Columbus, (2) are unlike any structures ever built by American Indians, and (3) are built strikingly similar to the way Madoc’s family castle was built in Wales.

Desoto Falls

Desoto Falls, near Ft. Payne, Alabama, was the site of Madoc’s first fort in the “New World,” circa 1171 AD

For hundreds of years after they arrived, these Welsh settlers were apparently assimilated into Indian tribes.  Many historians think these white explorers became the distinctly different Mandan tribe of American Indians.  The Mandan’s were described as “having long beards, speaking with a strange dialect, having grey hair in old age, and having women who possessed soft, magnificent and distinctly different beauty.”

In 1810, Governor John Seiver of Tennessee wrote a letter stating that in 1782 he had an “extensive” conversation with the great Cherokee Chief Oconosoto who told him about the people who built the unusual stone forts that the Chief had learned about from his forefathers. The Chief said, “They were people who called themselves Welsh, and they crossed the Great Water, and they landed near the mouth of the Alabama River at Mobile.”

Whether the Madoc story is true or not is up to historians to decide.  But, apparently, the Daughters of the American Revolution, here in Mobile, have made their decision already.  The plaque has been erected, and they say they regret it took so long to recognize this major “fact” in American history.

Update

After 55 years on display, the Alabama Parks Service removed the Madoc plaque from Ft. Morgan and put it in storage in 2008.  The reason?  The state didn’t want the plaque to be destroyed by Hurricane Ike. It has not been re-erected.

The Mandan tribe itself is no more. It is thought the Mandan’s simply died in hostilities over the years, were further assimilated by other Indian tribes, and like so many other tribes of the day, did not survive the smallpox epidemic of 1837.

So, this highly controversial and unusual people, who arrived before Columbus, whether they existed in reality or not, will continue to survive, for sure, in our Southern Memories for centuries to come.

Comments

    • Coyote says

      I find this very interesting as I believe that I too have the DNA of this Mandan Tribe mix with Welsh. My great grandfather came to America from England but he is welsh in 1903 and my great grandmother with him who is swedish. I have pictures of them and my great-grandfather has huge lips, darker skin tone, slanted eyes and I put a picture of the Mandan tribal photo next to his and striking similarities. I always wondered how the black indian like hair and eyes, and lips as well as big jaw bone got into our family. It sounds silly but when I researched it and this story came up. I am a little convinced and wish I had more evidence. It really makes perfect sense in my life as I have always felt a deep connection to the Native American ways. Happy Thanksgiving! :)

  1. ken lonewolf says

    The largest group of these Welsh settlers were on the Ohio River . My Shawnees had a confrontation with them in about the 1200s to 1300s. We defeated them in an engagement across the river from present-day Louisville, Ky. We adopted these Welsh prisoners into our Shawnees.
    They became Shawnees. Their DNA is still in the blood of quite a few people in the area of present day Pittsburgh. I also carry this Welsh DNA.

    Ken Lonewolf

  2. Rachel says

    can you tell me where the drawing of Madoc is from? a co-worker of mine is from Mobile and as our university’s online enrollment platform is called Madoc (from the French though for my documents), we want to use Prince Madoc as a sort of mascot for our student activities and we need an image for the facebook page, but I don’t want to violate copyright.

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